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Trevor



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Posted: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 12:41:47 +0000    Post subject: No2id Protesters arrested..

Before even doing anything!

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Six campaigners held at EU summit
Six civil liberties campaigners have been arrested outside a summit of European ministers on Tyneside.
A spokesman for the group NO2ID said two cars were driving towards the venue of the meeting in Gosforth on Thursday when police stopped them.

A Northumbria Police spokeswoman said four men and two women were held on suspicion of conspiracy to commit criminal damage.

It comes on the second day of the three-day interior ministers' meeting.

About 70 EU ministers were attending the summit where host Home Secretary Charles Clarke was confident of securing a deal with his European counterparts on controversial counter-terrorist measures.

The NO2ID group said they were arrested on Thursday morning on the grounds they may cause a breach of the peace.

The campaigners, who were going to wear orange boiler suits and bar codes on their foreheads, had created a massive ID card to highlight what they see as an increasing restriction on civil liberties.

A spokesman for the group said: "The two cars were approaching the venue when they were stopped and searched under the spurious grounds that there might be a breach of the peace.

'Inquiries continuing'

"Before they could even protest about our civil liberties being eroded they were arrested.

"It is shocking that we could not have a peaceful protest in a peaceful country but this is what these ministers want."

A Northumbria Police spokeswoman said: "Four men and two women have all been arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to commit criminal damage and are currently in custody.

"Inquiries are on-going."
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Posted: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 13:07:43 +0000    Post subject:

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I just hope I don't get to tell my grandchildren: "I remeber when it all began...."
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Posted: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 13:18:14 +0000    Post subject:

Freedom... we're talking bout your freedom
Freedom to choose what you do with your body
Freedom to believe what you like
Freedom for brothers to love one another
Freedom for black and white
Freedom from harassment, intimidation
Freedom for the mother and wife
Freedom from Big Brother's interrogation
Freedom to live your own life... I'm talking 'bout

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Power in the darkness
Stand up and fight for your rights

(Voice from The Other Side:) "Today, institutions fundamental to the British system of Government are under attack: the public schools, the house of Lords, the Church of England, the holy institution of Marriage, even our magnificent police force are no longer safe from those who would undermine our society, and it's about time we said 'enough is enough' and saw a return to the traditional British values of discipline, obedience, morality and freedom.
What we want is:

Freedom from the reds and the blacks and the criminals
Prostitutes, pansies and punks
Football hooligans, juvenile delinquents
Lesbians and left wing scum
Freedom from the niggers and the Pakis and the unions
Freedom from the Gipsies and the Jews
Freedom from leftwing layabouts and liberals
Freedom from the likes of you..."


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Posted: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 14:48:02 +0000    Post subject:

Nice to know that the authorities are doing the right thing by arresting terrorist-supporters civil liberty campaigners.
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Posted: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 15:03:52 +0000    Post subject:

Presumably, they have also had their fingerprints and DNA profiles added to the respective databases, as is the practice when you are arrested nowadays.
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Posted: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 15:04:28 +0000    Post subject: Publicise this?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tyne/4225858.stm

Should we publicise this? Do we know who's involved? Does it help or hinder No2ID?
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Posted: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 15:15:39 +0000    Post subject:

Is anybody actually surprised by this?
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Posted: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 15:29:25 +0000    Post subject: Re: Publicise this?

davegould wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tyne/4225858.stm

Should we publicise this? Do we know who's involved? Does it help or hinder No2ID?


The only point of any kind of publicity stunt or protest at a political summit or conference is to attract some mainstream media publicity.

The BBC is a start, but there needs to be wider reporting.

Perhaps the "data retention of a goldfish" media need to be reminded of Charles Clarke;s gaffe when "supporting" Hazel Blears' stupid idea, during the General Election over "boilersuits" for "yoof" offenders, which turned out to be disposable paint protection overalls on adult offenders paiinting a Sea Scout hut in Portsmouth.

The media should be asking Charles Clarke how he can claim to be protecting our liberties and freedoms, when he is responsible for the "security" of the EU Summit, and his policies are supressing peaceful protests, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly etc ?

There should be a complaint to the Independent Police Complaints Commission as well.
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Posted: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 15:51:18 +0000    Post subject: Re: Publicise this?

wtwu wrote:
The only point of any kind of publicity stunt or protest at a political summit or conference is to attract some mainstream media publicity.

The BBC is a start, but there needs to be wider reporting.


Do we want publicity for "No2ID", or "No2ID being arrested"? The BBC article is promising.

This is potentially the most publicity we'll ever get. It looks like a great opportunity but I would be happier knowing that the police don't have a leg to stand on. It would have major repercussions for Phil and so I'd also like his opinion.

I'll PM him & Guy and ask them to comment. You might want to phone the helpline # if there's no news in an hour or so.
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Posted: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 17:01:06 +0000    Post subject:

I am in the north of England, about 90 minutes drive from Tyneside. I wonder if any other people might be interested in starting another protest outside the police station in which these six folks have been locked? If we can get a protest going in the right place, and invite some journalists, then it could all work out rather nicely (provided that the police don't have a leg to stand on as davegould says).
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Posted: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 20:47:49 +0000    Post subject: Re: No2id Protesters arrested..

Trevor wrote:
Before even doing anything!

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Six campaigners held at EU summit
Six civil liberties campaigners have been arrested outside a summit of European ministers on Tyneside.
A spokesman for the group NO2ID said two cars were driving towards the venue of the meeting in Gosforth on Thursday when police stopped them.

A Northumbria Police spokeswoman said four men and two women were held on suspicion of conspiracy to commit criminal damage.

It comes on the second day of the three-day interior ministers' meeting.

About 70 EU ministers were attending the summit where host Home Secretary Charles Clarke was confident of securing a deal with his European counterparts on controversial counter-terrorist measures.

The NO2ID group said they were arrested on Thursday morning on the grounds they may cause a breach of the peace.

The campaigners, who were going to wear orange boiler suits and bar codes on their foreheads, had created a massive ID card to highlight what they see as an increasing restriction on civil liberties.

A spokesman for the group said: "The two cars were approaching the venue when they were stopped and searched under the spurious grounds that there might be a breach of the peace.

'Inquiries continuing'

"Before they could even protest about our civil liberties being eroded they were arrested.

"It is shocking that we could not have a peaceful protest in a peaceful country but this is what these ministers want."

A Northumbria Police spokeswoman said: "Four men and two women have all been arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to commit criminal damage and are currently in custody.

"Inquiries are on-going."




"....On the grounds that they MIGHT cause a breach of the peace" - incredible.

Isn't this "grounds" for arresting the whole NO2ID group? Afterall they might all be at home doing the dishes or out walking their dog and at the same time "plotting to cause a breach of the peace" (they do have an "incentive"). And now if the UK government is going to arrest people for what the "MIGHT" do, well the "mind boggles" it could cover all sorts of things, we are ALL "potential" criminals.

Or how about laws of association? It could be stretched to be "if two or more (know criminals) "members of No2ID" are seen to be talking together or "loitering together", is this also not "grounds for suspicion"?

This brings us back to "1984". Wasn't Winston Smith afraid to be seen associating with "known dissidents"? Government could have a field-day with "new police powers".
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Posted: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 00:48:04 +0000    Post subject:

At the moment, it is unclear exactly who has been arrested. It wasn't a stunt we as NO2ID arranged, though local groups are largely autonomous.

What it looks like is cat-and-mouse pre-emption by the police, aiming to prevent a protest at the Newcastle summit, and consequent embarrassment for Charles Clarke in having to explain to EU ministers that the British people are not entirely behind his plans for mass surveillance. Of course if the police produce substantive evidence against the people arrested, them we might revise that interpretation. Otherwise the police-state starts here.
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Posted: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 08:48:40 +0000    Post subject:

Thanks Guy, do keep us up to date when you hear more. It seems to me that it might well be worth following this up and making some noise about it.
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Posted: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 15:44:33 +0000    Post subject: Conditional bail

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tyne/4228718.stm
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Posted: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 06:49:31 +0000    Post subject:

It would be interesting to know what the conditions are. This is potentially one more way of stifling free speech:

"You may not have done anything unlawful because we only arrested you on suspicion, but we won't let you go unless you promise not to do these otherwise perfectly lawful things."
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Posted: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 09:53:38 +0000    Post subject:

Guy Herbert wrote:
It would be interesting to know what the conditions are. This is potentially one more way of stifling free speech:

"You may not have done anything unlawful because we only arrested you on suspicion, but we won't let you go unless you promise not to do these otherwise perfectly lawful things."



That is exactly what happened. From one of those arrested:
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We got released at 4am this morning, most with the ridiculous charge of "Conspiracy to cause criminal damage", bailed not to return to the area of Gosforth Park till 3PM this Sunday.

We need to go back to same police station on Friday 28th October at 15:30 to be told what charge has the CPS come up with.

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Posted: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:36:12 +0000    Post subject:

Do we know who these guys were yet? Are they affiliated with a NO2ID local group? What circumstances were they stopped under? Were they noticed by chance, or was it from intelligence gathering?
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Posted: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 18:48:28 +0000    Post subject:

Haydn wrote:
Do we know who these guys were yet?


There's now some limited information. We are talking to the press and the people concerned.

Haydn wrote:
Are they affiliated with a NO2ID local group?


Not as far as we know, though it is perfectly possible to be an active supporter of NO2ID without setting up a local group. (Local Groups are a good way of getting local interest and help us identify people who are ready to do things in particular places though.)

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What circumstances were they stopped under?


Police roadblock, apparently.

Haydn wrote:
Were they noticed by chance, or was it from intelligence gathering?


Chance, almost certainly. Intelligence gathering often isn't intelligent, despite claims. Even where everyone is watched to some degree, it will still be largely ineffective against spontaneous undirected groups doing peaceful things with minimal equipment.

I sincerely doubt NO2ID is much watched in that sense. There's no need. Our activities are open and publicised, because we are trying to make a case to the public through the media.
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Posted: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 10:06:08 +0000    Post subject:

Homes were searched. (received through NE Green Mailing List last week):

Update on arrests at EU Home Office ministers summit in Newcastle 8/9 September

THE PLAN FOR A SMALL, PEACFUL DEMONSRATION This was not the most organised demo, hence only a few people knew about it to go. There was a 12 foot square giant ID card that was going to be held by the entrance of the Marriott Gosforth Hotel on the morning of the start of the EU Justice & Home Office ministers (see www.jhanewcastlegateshead.co.uk). Some people were going to be in orange boiler suits and shackled with chains and handcuffs (like Guantanamo Bay), and have barcodes on their foreheads.

WHAT HAPPENED
Before the vehicles got near the Hotel two of them were stopped and searched by a load of coppers. It seemed funny and ironic at the time that a protest for the protection of civil liberties was being stopped before it could even start. G, H, K, P, R and Y were all arrested and taken to Etal Lane police station. Other people managed to disperse before being stopped by the cops. Initially the arrests were for "Breach of the Peace", but later changed to "Conspiracy to cause Criminal Damage". The cops were heard to say that they were taking it so seriously because "anarchism is a violent movement that started in Spain in the 1930's"!

THE RAIDS
All those arrested had their homes searched while they were in police cells. Various bits of literature, videos and a passport were taken. One of the books they took from 2 houses was the brilliantly useful "Recipes For Disaster" (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0970910142). They did not take people's computers, but they did confiscate people's mobile phones (obviously with call records on them). Cops from across the region were used to do the searches.

THE RELEASE
After 18 hours in the nick everyone was released at 4am on bail not to return anywhere near Gosforth Park till this Sunday and to return to the cops on 28th October to find out if they are pursuing any charges. The vehicles were given back to their owners.

WHAT NEXT
Who knows how much information they might have found out about you and local political activity. But their ideal result would be for us to be so paranoid that we stop talking and organising together. Obviously there is no point ringing the mobile phones of those that have been arrested. For some ideas about security culture see http://security.resist.ca/personal/culture.shtml. You can comment on what happened at http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2005/09/322769.html.
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Posted: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:33:22 +0000    Post subject:

I hope these individuals and their interesting props are not deterred from attending the 'biometric roadshow' when it arrives on short-notice at Newcastle in the near future.

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Posted: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:50:31 +0000    Post subject:

The Biometric Roadshow is at the Metro Centre Gateshead, this Weds, 21st Sept. Thread started in Events:

http://www.no2id.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=2518
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Posted: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 00:44:08 +0000    Post subject:

They could launch a civil case against the police for wrongful arrest. If they are as clean as the article suggests it may work but it needs a good lawyer. Maybe NO2ID could figure something along those lines to help these people if they want some help with this aspect. The police would have to produce evidence of a reason and this sort of thing can be dealt with through the courts. The advantage for NO2ID is that it could give a good boost to its popularity by looking like coming to the rescue of these poor souls. It would be good press and I think the BBC article is more than they could have hoped for if they had been allowed to protest. You know how the press like to do the odd follow-up as they have introduced the story to their readers already. I would certainly recommend looking in to it.
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Posted: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 15:23:44 +0000    Post subject:

Dear all,

I am a local reporter for Gosforth and I found this.

Can someone e-mail me as regards getting arrested and bailed in the area plaes?

My email is: [email protected]

Thanks very much,

Tom Latchem.
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Posted: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 15:34:21 +0000    Post subject:

I'll send details to you by email.
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Posted: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 08:37:29 +0000    Post subject: Fighting Fund

Baron von Lotsov. wrote:
They could launch a civil case against the police for wrongful arrest. If they are as clean as the article suggests it may work but it needs a good lawyer.


I think the Baron has hit the nail on the head. In the same way that the Met. is on the run over the cold blooded murder of an innocent Brazilian, it's vital that the Newcastle police are challenged. Provided of course that the protestors are indeed innocent - i.e. were not intending to spray paint the building, or cause other damage, or equipped with materials which could be used to cause damage, etc.

But as the Baron rightly points out, lawyers cost money, and unless there's a Human Rights lawyer reading this (say from Matrix Chambers!) willing to act pro-bono, I suggest that the only way to approach this would be to set-up a fighting fund. I'm not rich, but I'd contribute a couple of bob.

If he were willing to do it, Guy would be the obvious person to administer it, and I think I've devised a way to make any donations anonymous.

Of course the arrested need to be willing to take on the police, perhaps we can hear from one of them after Friday. Also I would strongly advise them to take a lawyer along with them when they return to the cop-shop.
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Posted: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 06:58:25 +0000    Post subject: Quiet

This topic appears to have gone cold. Does anyone know what happened?
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Posted: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 12:41:36 +0000    Post subject:

Yes, and is there a fund we can pay into for a really smart lawyer???
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Posted: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 10:18:15 +0000    Post subject:

The situation as I currently understand it is that the protestors have to return to the police station on the 28th Oct to find out what charges, if any, they must face. They already have legal representation, so I should imagine that their lawyer will be present. I am staying in touch with members of the group.

As many people will be aware, this is far from an isolated incident and we are also working with colleagues at Liberty and others in the legal profession to determine what further steps can be taken. At this point, we do not have a specific legal fund for any such actions. The suggestion that we create one is sensible, and we shall take a decision based on the outcome on the 28th and the desires of the protestors themselves.

NO2ID's pledged legal defence fund - when we call it in - is intended to fight the necessary test cases against the introduction of compulsory biometric registration and ID cards every step of the way and support those who refuse to comply with the legislation. It is important that we stick to these purposes - not only because this is what we said we'd do, but because fighting peripheral actions (however important) along the way simply plays into the government's hands. Keeping our heads and getting as much coverage of their heavy-handed tactics as possible actually helps our case - witness the media & public reaction to Walter Wolfgang's ejection from Labour conference and detention under Section 44 of the Terrorist Act.

We continue to do what we can with our limited resources, and strongly advise everyone who is planning an event (be it a protest, meeting, street stall or whatever) to let the NO2ID office - [email protected] - know with as much notice as possible. If appropriate, e.g. we may be able to help promote it - but we can't help at all if we don't know what is happening!

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Posted: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:41:35 +0000    Post subject:

Front page of today's (Newcastle) Journal (plus page 3 and editorial)

Yesterday the 3 protestors were told by police that charges of conspiracy to commit criminal damage had been dropped.

Now they are considering suing Northumbria Police for wrongful arrest and false imprisonment, and complaining to the Independent Police Complaints Commission. They had been held for 20 hours, forced to give DNA samples, had their homes searched and possessions seized.

Vera Baird QC MP (who is also parliamentary private secretary to Home Secretary Charles Clarke) said "It is hugely important they sue the police because they are very worried about this sort of action.
"It seems to me this is fairly typical of their attitude towards protesters. The protesters need to get all the documents they can off the police and sue for every hour they were held."

The Journal said "people are starting to ask why, if other people's freedoms are worth fighting wars for, it is so easy for some to feel that our own are being slowly eroded"
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Posted: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:46:14 +0000    Post subject:

Is there any kind of fund we can donate to for any legal action? This is disgraceful the people responsible need to be held to account.
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Posted: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:17:40 +0000    Post subject:

If you wish to offer any sort of support, please contact the group c/o No2ID Northeast Co-ordinator Robin Ashby:

[email protected]
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Posted: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 19:57:12 +0000    Post subject:

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Yesterday the 3 protestors were told by police that charges of conspiracy to commit criminal damage had been dropped.


Somehow, I thought that might be the outcome. Ooer!! Perhaps I'm psychic!!

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Vera Baird QC MP (who is also parliamentary private secretary to Home Secretary Charles Clarke) said "It is hugely important they sue the police because they are very worried about this sort of action.


Charles Clarke's PPS!!! Is she seriously expecting people to believe that her boss didn't have some hand in all this in the first place?

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Posted: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 22:12:59 +0000    Post subject:

She's just doing her job in blame management. Who is the 'they' in "they are very worried", the police, who follow direction, or the Home Office, who make sure their own arses are covered?
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Posted: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:35:19 +0000    Post subject:

"Yesterday the 3 protestors were told by police that charges of conspiracy to commit criminal damage had been dropped."

If I were them, I would DEMAND that I be charged with "conspiracy to commit criminal damage" and watch the people responsible for this travesty be held accountable.

So they were wrongly arrested? If I do my job wrong, I get fired. I presume these people who arrested them know their jobs? If they do, be held accountable. If not, what are you doing taking tax payers' money in the first place?

And side-tracking people by blaming police minions is a classic device of modern-day govts, so let's hope the enquiries don't just focus on the police level. They must have had instructions before doing this - or is this perhaps normal police behaviour nowadays?
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Posted: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:50:25 +0000    Post subject:

How surprising. Use the police to prevent dissent, and offer no comback or apology. Hope they sue 'em. Certainly a complaint sounds to be in order
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Posted: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:26:56 +0000    Post subject:

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If I were them, I would DEMAND that I be charged with "conspiracy to commit criminal damage" and watch the people responsible for this travesty be held accountable.


Wouldn't work. Charges such as conspiracy have to go to the CPS to be authorised (possibly even the DPP), and that's what has happened here. It will have been decided either that there was no realistic prospect of conviction orthat it was not in the public interest to prosecute.

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Possibly. But conspiracy is arrestable offence, and mere "reasonable suspicion" is sufficient grounds to arrest in law. It would certainly be worth getting legal advice to see if there is a civil case for wrongful imprisonment.

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And side-tracking people by blaming police minions is a classic device of modern-day govts, so let's hope the enquiries don't just focus on the police level. They must have had instructions before doing this - or is this perhaps normal police behaviour nowadays?


Not in my experience. Having said that, I'm not in possession of all the facts of this case. If those arrested decide to sue the Chief Constable, I believe they will be entitled to "discovery", which means disclosure of all facts and documentation relating to the arrest and the police operation from which the arrests culminated. Having said that, the Chief Constable might well try to avoid this by convincing the court that it is not in the public interest to disclose all the information.

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Posted: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 18:27:40 +0000    Post subject: Advance in Technology

I thought people could be arrested after committing a crime, but to arrest them in case they might commit a crime? Sounds like: "Minority Report"

I sometimes wonder if arrest is a way of capturing the DNA data to build up an ever increasing database, the larger it is, the more useful it is.

Automatic number plate recognition by the Police, biometric identity cards, bio-metric passports, DNA & finger prints collected on arrest, Supermarket loyalty cards, cctv and automatic face recognition in shopping centres, link these systems together ( and that's easy!) and they know where we are, they know where we've been, they know who we're calling, they know what we're buying, they know what websites we've been to, they know what we've written in our emails, "it's ok, if you have done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear"...... The explosion in technology and its uptake has only happened in the last few years, anyone not worried by all this?

And people think that we're not moving to a Police state?
Why are we in the UK so keen to adopt all this technology??
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Posted: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 18:44:04 +0000    Post subject:

Once the companies pushing these schemes get customers, it helps them a great deal in marketing them to other unsuspecting nations.
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Posted: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:50:47 +0000    Post subject:

They were arrested to stop them making their protest. That's it. They were never going to be charged as the job was already done. Wake up.

If they actually made it to their destination, with a twelve foot ID card and orange boiler suits, I would have been amazed. I'm also dissappointed that NO2ID has chosen not to take this opportunity to fight. Are you waitning for the right moment? The police aren't and nor is the government.
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Posted: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:12:26 +0000    Post subject: No publicity

People, what is the point in aiming for publicity? Everyone knows these ID cards are a bad idea, unless we actually FIGHT, like maybe occupy government offices, they will be imposed on us.
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Posted: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 17:26:16 +0000    Post subject:

Guest, I understand your frustration but NO2ID *is* fighting the ID scheme on a whole number of fronts - at present, e.g. the Parliamentary battle is in the House of Lords. Media hostility towards the ID scheme continues to grow, at least in part because of our efforts to engage with journalists and editors and the many letters that have been written by supporters. Public opposition also continues to grow, as our ICM poll (published today) demonstrates.

We did not expect the protestors to be charged, though we were concerned that they might be. However, we would not expect protests of this sort to necessarily achieve anything other than publicity. I fail to see how occupying Home Office buildings at this point would achieve anything other than publicity, either - you are surely not proposing that you'd be able to take control of enough Government real estate on a semi-permanent basis to prevent them from continuing about their business?

It's also quite likely that such a move would generate a lot of negative publicity and invite trouble that would do little to advance our cause. However, if the lawmakers and police continue to abuse the powers they currently have against peaceful, lawful protestors then they actually strengthen our case. Their actions demonstrate the dangers - and reality - of the police state far more graphically than anything we might say.

NO2ID will continue to use tactics appropriate to the current phase of the campaign - and, at present, our best bet is clearly trying to stop or neuter the Bill before it becomes law.
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Posted: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 06:40:02 +0000    Post subject:

Reports from the persecuted:
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2005/09/322769.html
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Posted: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 17:18:49 +0000    Post subject:

Just to clarify; it wasn't me who suggested occupying government buildings, but another 'guest'. My frustration was over the failure of an imaginative protest because of the way they advertized themselves before the event. I get the impression the were asking to be stopped; which is no protest at all.
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Posted: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 17:21:42 +0000    Post subject:

Anonymous wrote:
Just to clarify; it wasn't me who suggested occupying government buildings, but another 'guest'. My frustration was over the failure of an imaginative protest because of the way they advertized themselves before the event. I get the impression the were asking to be stopped; which is no protest at all.


I'd like to add that, the only people who got to hear of it were the locals who read the paper and the NO2ID forum.
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